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Javier Sáez Hurtado on Era Exponencial: DeepSeek and efficiency
Javier Sáez Hurtado and Arnau Ramió devote this episode of El podcast de la Era Exponencial, published on 12 December 2025 on the Learning Heroes channel, to DeepSeek and to the AI race between China and the West. It runs for 73 minutes.
The conversation contrasts two ways of making progress: efficiency, doing more with less compute, versus scaling with more chips and more energy. It also reviews concrete risks of models in real use, such as prompt injection and jailbreaks, and frames the landscape in three pieces: chips, energy and distribution.
It is one of the eight artificial intelligence episodes of the series, recorded while Javier Sáez Hurtado led the IA Heroes programme at Learning Heroes.
Topics
- DeepSeek
- Efficiency versus scale
- Model security
- Chips and energy
| Original title | “El error de Occidente con China… DeepSeek gratis” |
|---|---|
| Part of | El podcast de la Era Exponencial (episode 3 of 8) |
| With | Arnau Ramió |
| Channel | Learning Heroes |
| Published | |
| Length | 73 min |
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